What is a “Relationship” in Genealogy?

When a person studies their family history, they create a “relationship” with each person they find in their research. As would be expected, all of these people become your “relations” – father/mother, brother/sister, aunt/uncle, grandfather/grandmother and so on, even into the “greats”. The “relationship”, in short, determines HOW you are related to another person. Sometimes it’s handy to know how to describe your family relationships more exactly.

Genealogy.com describes more complex relationships for us:

  • “Cousin (a.k.a “first cousin”): Your first cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same grandparents as you. In other words, they are the children of your aunts and uncles.
  • Second Cousin: Your second cousins are the people in your family who have the same great-grandparents as you., but not the same grandparents.
  • Third, Fourth, and Fifth Cousins: Your third cousins have the same great-great-grandparents, fourth cousins have the same great-great-great-grandparents, and so on.
  • Removed: When the word “removed” is used to describe a relationship, it indicates that the two people are from different generations. You and your first cousins are in the same generation (two generations younger than your grandparents), so the word “removed” is not used to describe your relationship.
  • The words “once removed” mean that there is a difference of one generation. For example, your mother’s first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This is because your mother’s first cousin is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. This one-generation difference equals “once removed.” Twice removed means that there is a two-generation difference. You are two generations younger than a first cousin of your grandmother, so you and your grandmother’s first cousin are first cousins, twice removed.”

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Got all that? There’s a chart that goes with this description, but it’s not important to the topic being discussed here. What I really want to talk about it is a problem I ran into with my relationships on Wikitree. I found the problem totally by accident, but I’m fairly sure how it happened.

I have several Scottish clans in my lineage, as does Cyndie. The one we obviously have in common is Murray; in fact, we share a 23rd Great Grandfather. That’s right – 23 generations back we had a common grandfather. He happened to have two sons. One became the Murray of Tullibardine that created Cyndie’s line, while the other was Murray of Bothwell, my line. On Wikitree – http://wikitree.com/wiki/Thomas-10705 – I have listings of each of the clans and how we relate over the generations. Now to the problem I found…..

At some point, someone on Wikitree made a profile change that affected the relationships of several generations. In one fell swoop, a 26th Great Grandfather (26 GGF) in the Murray line became a 2nd cousin 28x removed (2c 28x) and, suddenly, all my grandfathers and grandmothers down to the 15th generation were Murray COUSINS. Cyndie had no such problem with her Murray line because she is a Murray from the very beginning, where my lines branch and intersect at various points throughout history.

I’m afraid to check Cyndie’s other clan lines, but I checked mine and found the same thing had happened to most of them, as well. This is a problem that occurs when the ancestor’s profile is so old that anyone can add or delete information contained in it. Over a very short period of time, massive changes can occur.

When a person in one line is my 28 GGF, but his father is NOT my 29 GGF, there’s a problem. The solution? I’m not sure; I don’t have one for now, but I’m not going to change my relationships without some hard evidence there is an error in the lineage. I’ll continue to research, and continue to check the relationships I’ve found, but that’s about it. More later if an update is necessary.

 

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